Thanks @jameinel I think theres certainly a case for surfacing more k8s feedback into juju status but obviously thats a design choice you lot have to make.
Kubernetes API warnings I’m trying to get the RBAC stuff figured out over here, once I work out what needs to be applied where hopfully its something document worthy for people firing up juju on different K8S versions so that they can get past this issue, because like with the crashloop, nothing surfaces in juju but its clearly pretty terminal is the postgres charm can’t set stuff up properly.